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- CommentAuthorVeggieontour
- CommentTimeDec 1st 2008
Have a look at the Holy Lance website-
http://holy-lance.blogspot.com
(Re the sections entitled 'The Vegetarian Origins of Christianity' and 'Animal Messiah') -
- CommentAuthorguest
- CommentTimeDec 1st 2008
guest:
Check out a book called "The Lost Religion of Jesus" (by Keith Akers, I think). Interesting book arguing that the earliest church was strictly vegetarian and followed what today would be called the "voluntary simplicity movement." I'm not sure that it's a slam-dunk 100% convincing case regarding the vegetarianism, but he provides some pretty interesting arguments.
Jim -
- CommentAuthornev
- CommentTimeDec 14th 2008
didnt jeases feed the hungry loaves and fishes fish the last time i looked fish are red blooded breathing live animals . -
- CommentAuthorguest
- CommentTimeDec 14th 2008
guest:
Yup. According to the Bible their were loaves and fishes, and fishes are breathing, living animals.
I don't want to dismiss that comment, or sound cocky/snotty. There is much, much, much, much debate, commentary, discussion, difference in opinion on much of what has found its way into the version of the Bible that we have on our shelves today (most of which has nothing to do with vegetarianism). The author of this book goes to great lengths to discuss discrepancies between different manuscripts found in different times and different places (some of which say "loaves," some of which say "loaves and fishes," etc), the practices of the earliest Jewish Christian (as opposed to Gentile, Pauline Christian) communities (almost exclusively vegetarian, and not really even a debated point), etc. There's a long discussion of the Jewish anti-Temple movement that was going on at the time (opposed to animal sacrifices) and some interpretation of the "Jesus in the Temple" scene in this light.
It's a very good book. I would say that it is absolutely worth reading. I will not say that it is absolutely undoubtedly the "right" interpretation, but it does give one a lot to think about, makes a good case. And of course, I don't do a full-length, heavily annotated book a whole lot of justice in a three paragraph blurb; the book is undoubtedly better than my description of it.
Jim -
- CommentAuthornev
- CommentTimeDec 17th 2008
i thought they ate goats too -
- CommentAuthorguest
- CommentTimeDec 17th 2008
guest:
Thought "who" ate goats? I imagine plenty of people did. A number of the earliest Jewish Christian communities (as opposed to Pauline/gentile Christians) were, however, vegetarian. And the author argues that based on this, as well as other information from the time and some odd texts that made it into scriptures, he believes that Jesus also kept a strictly vegetarian diet. One interesting thing: in the New Testament (especially in Acts) there is quite a bit on this conflict that took place between those who followed Peter (a disciple who was a Jew by birth) and those who followed Paul (who was probably a convert to Judaism, and who preached largely to non-Jews) that seemed to be focused on the fact that Peter and his followers would not share meals with the other Christians. It seems that this was a pretty major issue, not just a case of people being irritated with each other, but a major theological difference. Given that there is much evidence that early Jewish Christian communities (who would have been more in line with Peter on theological issues) were vegetarian, the author concludes that Peter and his followers were also vegetarian, and that this would explain the huge issue of sharing meals with the non-vegetarians (vegetarians of this era would have felt that they could not even sit at a table with meat being served). If Peter, one of Jesus' closest disciples, was a vegetarian... where did he get that from? Go from there to Jesus driving animals out of the Temple (where they were being sold for sacrifices) and you start to get an interesting picture, a different perspective on this one small part of Jesus' ministry.
Again, a good book, and I don't do it justice here.
Jim -
- CommentAuthorguest
- CommentTimeFeb 8th 2009
guest:
Jesus didn't exist, you carnivorous goons...so arguing over this "loaves and fish" thing is simply stupid. Oh, I forgot: meat eaters are innately idiotic.
Uncontrolled hetero breeding and raising cattle are two major contributors to global destruction.
All you over-breeding hetero carnivores ought to be force-fed your own beloved pets (dog, cats, parrots, whatever), including the flesh of your aborted and stillborn children. Discarded embryos can be breaded and deep-fried just like jumbo shrimp. -
- CommentAuthornev
- CommentTimeFeb 12th 2009
you poor fool there is plenty of evidence that j.c and others like him existed now whether hes the son of god is up to you, me personally dont believe in any higher being, as for calling us carnivorous goons is another matter jim is a vegetarian and i am a omnivore me thinks you should go down to your local shrink and have a good lie down as you are defiantly not quite right between the ears.
....nev... -
- CommentAuthorguest
- CommentTimeFeb 14th 2009
guest:
The "uncontrolled hetero breeding" guy is not a particularly good ambassador for the vegan cause. It's always disappointing and frustrating when someone on "my side" of an issue says things that are so completely... I don't even know the word for it.
My sister (a vegetarian) often calls me a "proselytizing vegan," because I really do enjoy talking to people about animal issues, have on a number of occasions influenced someone to go vegetarian or vegan. I believe in this "cause," among others. I think it's a good thing and worth working for it.
I find comments like the ones this guy makes extremely unhelpful. People tend to not change their lifestyle or stances on an issue (any issue) because they've been screamed at, insulted, verbally abused. Comments like those may help the vegan activist feel good because they're letting off steam... but they do nothing to change the reality that they supposedly want to change. Those comments turn people away, prepare people to ignore every other argument that comes their way in the future.
Jim -
- CommentAuthorguest
- CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
guest:
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- CommentAuthorguest
- CommentTimeApr 19th 2012
guest:
In the book of Leviticus God, apparently, demands animal sacrifice as an act of worship! Yet in the book of Isaiah God says that animal sacrifice is an abomination to Him, He doesn't want any killing or bloodshed and that the only sacrifice He requires is a love sacrifice i.e. Service.
Is God a blooodthirsty monster or a loving God? Which is true? They can't both be.
The Bible is a great book and there is much wisdom therein, but the Bible was written, compiled and corrupted by man. -
- CommentAuthornev
- CommentTimeApr 30th 2012
the bible IS not a good book ,to read or otherwise ,it is a book of fables ,written by the deluded and put together by men, with an a gender to keep the foolish and weak minded in control. -
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