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- CommentAuthorguest
- CommentTimeApr 15th 2008
guest:
To Whom it may Concern,
Hello I work at fairs. My parents own animals and we also work at the circus I am 13.
Yesterday a lady kept going around our stuff an taking picture of my animals in cages an of us which we don't care cu's we have nothing to hide but at the fair U cannot pass out information which she handed a man a paper about peta saying circus is bad the police came down to take her out an we wanted to take a picture to see if nothing comes up messed up or if she comes back she blocked her face they were walking out an I got a picture of her an she ran up to me swung her bag at me an threatened to knock me out the only reason she didn't because the officer told her she will go to jail.
Please if U could put this story up so people can see what these people do threatened to beat up children she is not the firsT peta person to tell me she would almost all OF THEM DO one has even hit us i am 13 girl so please tell my story
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- CommentAuthorpeat_sucks14
- CommentTimeApr 15th 2008
haha -
- CommentAuthorjose
- CommentTimeMay 19th 2008
Retarded PETA nuts! Funny! Too bad they didn't arrest her. -
- CommentAuthorguest
- CommentTimeMay 26th 2008
guest:
Bwahahahaha PETA freaks! -
- CommentAuthorguest
- CommentTimeJul 21st 2008
guest:
Anyone threatening you, make sure you report it to the police. Try to get their photo and name, address, phone number and report that to Homeland Security. They could be terrorists.
If you see anyone wearing a Peta t-shirt. Ask them if they are a terrorist. If they say no, they are just an animal rights activist. Ask them for their business card because you want to call their office. If they really are activists they will give their name, address and phone number to you as well as the name of the organization they represent. Check out the information to make sure they are not lying. Ask to see some photo id like a driver's license, passport etc. If they refuse, they are likely terrorists and you need to report them to authorities. -
- CommentAuthorguest
- CommentTimeJul 21st 2008
guest:
That last comment there is kind of insane. If a protester/activist/whatever doesn't give you all of his personal information-- phone number, name, address, photo ID-- upon request, then he's probably a terrorist?
Are you in any way connected with reality? Or are you being funny, and I'm just not getting it? -
- CommentAuthorguest
- CommentTimeJul 28th 2008
guest:
Even a car license number would help. If security guards, police and other authorities receive complaints about people being harassed, they will take notice if the same people are always showing up on their radar. Usually terrorist will "stake out" their targets beforehand and pose as tourists, taking photos, asking questions, planning their attacks and escape routes.
It is not a joke. Peta has been investigated for links to terrorist groups. See http://www.petakillsanimals.com/ http://www.petakillsanimals.com/article_detail.cfm?article=134 and http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/19/domestic.terrorism/index.html
People who wear terrorist t-shirt usually are terrorists or they support their causes. So what do you think about a guy wearing a "I love Osama Bin Laden" t-shirt? Is he a terrorist, a support of terrorism or just a jerk?
I think you are the one who needs to get in touch with reality. -
- CommentAuthorguest
- CommentTimeJul 30th 2008
guest:
To suggest that anyone wearing a PETA shirt is somehow suspect of terrorism is a little nuts. Sorry, it's a little nuts. It's not the actual, factual, real-world reality. It's your imagination.
To suggest that a person in a PETA shirt not turning over all their personal identifying information on demand "confirms" that they are terrorists isn't a little nuts... it's really just way, way out there.
If someone in a PETA shirt harasses you or threatens you or does something "suspicious" (beyond putting on a PETA shirt), please, call the cops, make sure you're safe.
If someone in a Toby Keith shirt, an AC/DC shirt, a Yankees shirt, a John McCain shirt or an Absolut Vodka shirt harasses you or threatens you or does something "suspicious," please, call the cops, make sure you're safe.
Jim -
- CommentAuthorguest
- CommentTimeJul 31st 2008
guest:
Why would any normal law abiding person want to associate themselves with a group that is being investigated by the FBI for supporting terrorists? Why would they give them money or wear their t-shirt, use their unsolicited free address labels etc?
Any person who is legitimately representing an interest group, charity etc will not hesitate to give you the name and address, phone number of their office and their name and even show ID. This woman who tried to attack the girl in the original post stated she was "taking photos for Peta" and handing out brochures. Was she really authorized by Peta to do this or not?
Most terrorist organizations worldwide would not exist without people who support them either by donations or illegal crime. So the guy writing out the cheque and running a drug trade is just as guilty as the suicide bomber he funds. But you wouldn't call him a terrorist? But he would go to prison along with the rest of them when they are caught.
Would you like to read about all the terrorism attacks committed against America from the FBI site?
http://www.fbi.gov/publications/terror/terror2000_2001.htm Notice that animal rights groups are listed right in their with other terrorists such as ALF to whom Peta donated funds. -
- CommentAuthorguest
- CommentTimeJul 31st 2008
guest:
Here's the trouble. It comes in three parts. One has to do with the definition of "terrorism." A second has to do with wild over generalizations. The third has to do with how the real world works.
I get tired of people using the word "terrorism" when talking about animal rights activists, environmental activists, etc. In almost all cases, the word simply does not fit. In fact, use of the word in almost every situation is, to me, offensive... not because I support those activists, but because it minimizes how awful "terrorism" really is and how much the real victims of terrorism have suffered. Without doubt, there are animal rights activists out there breaking laws. No argument there. But breaking the law is not equivalent to "terrorism." Use of that word is deliberate, it is intended to create an image in your head, to send a message. It's not an accident, it's not laziness on the part of the FBI. But it's not appropriate. It leads to people mentioning animal rights activists and Osama Bin Laden in the same breath. If you are unable to see a massive, massive distinction between animal rights activists and Bin Laden, then there is something deeply wrong with your perception. Yes, animal rights activists have broken laws. Not all of them, not even most of them or half of them or a significant percentage of them. But yes, some animal rights activists have broken laws. To my knowledge, however, there have been almost no documented cases of animal rights or environmental activists in this country actually hurting or killing people. Crimes commited are against property-- breaking locks, vandalizing labs, releasing animals, the occasional brick through a window, that sort of thing. That stuff may not be alright. It may not be "okay." But it is a far, far, far cry from "terrorism." Breaking a window and stealing some mink is not the same as exploding a car bomb outside a school or flying a plane into an office building. So all this talk about PETA or any other animal rights group supporting "terrorism" is just off the mark from the start. Show me evidence of "terror" committed by these groups and I will happily denounce it.
Wild over generalizations. The vast, vast, vast majority of people who support PETA, who wear PETA t-shirts or any other animal rights oriented t-shirts, have absolutely nothing to do with crimes committed by animal activists. To suggest otherwise is nothing but nonsense. There are millions of vegetarians and vegans in this country. I have no idea how many of them own t-shirts with a PETA logo. My rough estimate is: lots and lots of them. You're being just plain silly when you suggest that anyone in a PETA shirt is an activist or terrorist. I find it tough to swallow the PETA-terrorism connection (even if I bought your irrespnosible definition of "terrorism") to begin wiht. I find it unlikely that PETA would be continuing to operate and thrive in this country if all this slam-dunk evidence of terror connections was really out there. Call me skeptical.
Finally, lets talk about the real world, as opposed to, say, the world of children's cartoons. In the world of children's cartoons, bags full of money have "$$$" printed all over them. Superheroes wear superhero outfits. Bank robbers wear bank robber outfits. And so on. In the real world, that doesn't happen. You asked me what I would think if I saw a guy wearing an "I Love Osama Bin Laden" shirt. That's fairly easy. I would think he was a jerk. I would not think that he was a terrorist. You see, your average terrorist planning to blow things up doesn't wear a terrorist t-shirt. Likewise, your average animal activist about to commit an illegal act doesn't wear an animal activist t-shirt. See, doing that makes it very, very, very easy to get caught.
As far as the woman threatening the 13 year old girl. If that happened, shame on her. An adult who threatens a 13 year old girl should face some consequences. In my opinion, the parents should press the issue. If the story went as reported above, then I was on board with the woman as she passed out literature, even if there are rules against it; she lost me when she shoved and threatened a kid.
Always fun talking to you.
Jim -
- CommentAuthorguest
- CommentTimeAug 1st 2008
guest:
The FBI defines terrorism as:
"The unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a Government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives." source:
Definition of terrorism from the Government of Canada:
"the threat or the use of violence against persons or property for the purpose of achieving political, religious or ideological objectives." including "domestic terrorism (which includes the threat or the use of violence by groups advocating for issues such as the environment, anti-abortion, animal rights, anti-globalization, and white supremacy, and the dissemination of militia messages by groups in the United States)" -
- CommentAuthorguest
- CommentTimeAug 1st 2008
guest:
Yes. That is how those two groups define it. I could have copied and pasted those two quotes as well. I don't think you're actually making a point. My point is that there is a deliberate blurring of distinctions between what we all think of as terrorism (blowing up school children, etc) and the non-violent actions of animal activists and others. I object to this deliberate blurring of distinctions on many levels. Repeating this blurred distinction back to me isn't particularly useful to your cause. -
- CommentAuthorguest
- CommentTimeAug 3rd 2008
guest:
Oh, regarding your links. They don't show what you seem to think they show. The three you gave me the first time-- the first is to "petakillsanimals" and doesn't, anywhere that I can see, even mention PETA's supposed link to terror. The second is to an expired page with nothing on it. The third is to a CNN article that I think is very weak, and that doesn't really support your case. Someone makes an unsupported claim that PETA gives money to ALF, PETA denies it, and two senators basically say the whole animal-activism/terrorism link is a sham from the start. Not a strong case here.
The link you gave me in a later post does have the FBI's definition of terrorism, which I continue to find troubling, but doesn't support your case in any other way. The "in focus" section talks about animal/environmental activism in 2001. It makes clear, again and again, that this is a fringe movement within the larger context of animal rights and that it is not associating most mainstream activists with what it calls "terrorism" (and what I call crime). It points out, as I would, that these "terrorists" have not actually killed anyone, and that their "mission statements" and such specifically state that they are opposed to any violence against human beings. (Hmmm... "terrifying," aren't they?). Most importantly, the connection to PETA that you implied is nowhere in this text. Nowhere. PETA isn't mentioned. It seems that this is largely in your imagination. Sorry.
And let me say again... shoving a 13 year old girl at the fair is only acceptable if you're pushing her out of the way of stampeding horses. Any other time, it sucks, and you shouldn't do it, even if you're wearing a PETA shirt.
Still a pleasure.
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- CommentAuthorguest
- CommentTimeNov 27th 2008
guest:
Wow. You're sad you got a widdle hit on your arm when you support animal cruelty? Maybe you should so cry in your room.
Oh, and by the way, that "Petakillsanimals" shit is false. Peta has to put down some animals when they are in pain and suffering. -
- CommentAuthornev
- CommentTimeDec 13th 2008
so typical of the gutless comments from guest somehow i dont think Jim is a 13 yo girl and no violence is violence would they have done the same to me a reasonably strong male ? i bet not in a million years thats why they sneak around at night doing stuff cos all they are are psychopathic dilettantes and cowards -
- CommentAuthorguest
- CommentTimeDec 14th 2008
guest:
Nev, I don't get your comment in reference to me. Did I in any way state that is okay to shove a 13 year old girl? You're not making sense.
Jim -
- CommentAuthornev
- CommentTimeDec 17th 2008
no jim i was backing your statement i agreed with what you said i was having ago at the other fellow. -
- CommentAuthorguest
- CommentTimeDec 17th 2008
guest:
Gotcha. Okay then.
Jim -
- CommentAuthorguest
- CommentTimeMay 18th 2009
guest:
Holly is gay -
- CommentAuthorguest
- CommentTimeMay 18th 2009
guest:
I didn't know all vegetarians were terroist!?!?! You should totally report to the F.B.I. and C.I.A. I am sure that cold have helped so many terroist attacks.
I guarntee you that you are probably sitting in a room with a vegetarian and you don't even know it I wouldn't trust them either.
Honestly this is the dumbest thing I have ever herd. -
- CommentAuthorguest
- CommentTimeJul 15th 2010
guest:
Not that i'm condoning violence at all, but the woman probably sheilded her face as it is illegal to take pictures of someone without their permission and i'm imagine, that's something she didn't give you.
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