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1. • CommentAuthorRivers
   • CommentTimeAug 5th 2008 edited

    
   This website seems to use some famous vegetarians who were wicked as an argument against vegetarianism. The logic seems be something like this:
   
   Famous person in group G is wicked
   Therefore all persons in group G are wicked
   
   With the same logic:
   
   Adolf Hitler was a Christian. He was also wicked.
   Therefore, all Christians are wicked.
   
   Stalin was a Communist. He was also wicked.
   Therefore, all Communists are wicked.
   
   Saddam Hussain was a Muslim. He was also wicked.
   Therefore, all Muslims are wicked.
   
   Jack the Ripper was a man. He was also wicked.
   Therefore, all men are wicked.
   
   With this logic, we could call all of humanity wicked. Do you see that this is absurd?
2. • CommentAuthorguest
   • CommentTimeAug 6th 2008

    
   guest:
   
   Rivers,
   Your argument proves the point.
   I am a feminist, men are wicked!
   Communists are wicked - they use violence to oppress. There is no Communism without oppression.
   Muslims are wicked, they follow a vile and evil little book written by a mad pedophile and murder people wherever they go.
   
   I'm not a Christian, but they have done some pretty nasty things too; especially to non-Christians.
   
   Vegetarians just must be bad. All the arguments make perfect sense.
   
   Joyce Grafstein
3. • CommentAuthorRivers
   • CommentTimeAug 6th 2008

    
   Are you being serious? After reading this website, I do wonder!?
   
   If you are, you just called some very large groups and more than half the world, in fact, wicked. Have you met every Muslim, Christian, Communist and man on the face of the earth?
   
   Communism is not about oppression, not in theory. Socialism and communism can be very fine indeed, but stereotypes and prejudice flare in people's mind from it's use in Soviet Russia with a dictatorship.
   
   Islam is actually quite a peaceful faith. Again, stupid prejudice and stereotypes about bomb-weilding deviants. You are obviously a very ignorant person if you think every Muslim is a terrorist.
   
   Though it is true that the bible and rituitous practises engaged in by many of its followers is utter nonsense, some Christians I know are very kind and thoughtful people, and Jesus' message was actually that all people are ok, what they do may not be ok, but their essence as people is ok, so we should accept each other and share our thoughts properly.
4. • CommentAuthorjose
   • CommentTimeAug 8th 2008

    

   Communism is not about oppression, not in theory. Socialism and communism can be very fine indeed, but stereotypes and prejudice flare in people's mind from it's use in Soviet Russia with a dictatorship.

   
   Man, you are clearly out of your tree!
   
   Communism is not about oppression? How can you redistribute wealth and property if you don't steal it from somebody first?
   
   There is nothing fine about Communism nor Socialism. It is just different doses of poison. Neither work without oppression. Communism only works with violence. The creators of wealth get to see their property stolen from them by a heavily armed state and at the point of a gun.

   
   Communism was not just a failure in Soviet Russia, but every flavor of it was a failure from North Korea and Cuba to Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, East Germany - each of which tried their own flavor of Communism. Soviet Russia only stayed propped up as long as it did thanks to their vast petro-wealth.

   
   What a clueless left-wing lunatic!

5. • CommentAuthornev
   • CommentTimeSep 12th 2008

    
   as far as i can see all of humanity can be evil its just the vegans like all crackpot idears try to force others to accept theirs.and if you dont ......
6. • CommentAuthortim120hawkins
   • CommentTimeSep 21st 2008

    
   Hey I thought we were talking about evil vegetarians? Not wicked christians, Muslim, communists. I'm sure they got there own web sites
7. • CommentAuthorguest
   • CommentTimeOct 11th 2008

    
   guest:
   
   I'm not quite sure whether or not this website is a joke. If it is, it's a really bad one that sucked up entirely too much of someone's time.
8. • CommentAuthorguest
   • CommentTimeNov 3rd 2008

    
   guest:
   
   Hitler authorized the killings of millions of people.
   Hitler was heterosexual.
   Therefore, heterosexual people must be bad.
9. • CommentAuthornev
   • CommentTimeNov 9th 2008

    
   actually he wasnt he didnt like men or woman.
10. • CommentAuthorguest
    • CommentTimeNov 12th 2008

     
    guest:
    
    I found this site accidentally. And I had no idea there was so much hatred towards vegetarians and vegans. In my experience, veggies don't preach about their "vegginess" and usually only talk about it after:
    a) Someone has asked them why they are veggie or
    b) Someone has ridiculed them about being veggie
    
    I have also noticed that the ones who try the hardest to push their beliefs are the meat eaters and not the veggies. I think many meat eaters are at first uncomfortable with vegetarians or vegans because it stirs some issues for them, i.e. willpower. This reaction can be equated to the way smokers react to non smokers and out of shape people react to personal trainers. Meat eaters who are convinced that they could never cut out meat from their diets are perhaps jealous that veggies have managed to do so and live well and I think THAT is what angers them initially -- from that initial anger come all the bad thoughts about veggies.
    
    Don’t assume that the veggies think they are superior or that they are looking down on you if you eat meat. Nobody can make a judgment about your character based on your eating habits, which is why I don’t agree with the title of this website. Vegetarianism is a choice just like so many other choices we make every day as human beings. Sure there are militant veggies but there are militants in every category—even in peace movements, ironically.
    
    On a side note, I think there is much misinformation and many poorly framed arguments against vegetarianism on this site—which actually works against the agenda of this site. Unless of course, this is a PETA sponsored site designed to show how simple minded people against vegetarianism can sound, which would mean that you’re all being played like a fiddle…
11. • CommentAuthornev
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2008

     
    if you wernt so biast you;d see all of the hatred is coming from vegos
12. • CommentAuthorguest
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2008

     
    guest:
    
    I know that Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian along with many other evil people, but there are also good people who were vegetarians, people who changed the world for the better. People such as
    
    Leonardo Da Vinci, Charles Darwin, Socrates, Plato, Sir Isaac Newton, Thomas Edison, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Mark Twain, Henry David Thoreau. (20 Questions About Vegetarianism)
    
    Obviously these people were not horrible people such as Hitler who killed millions of people. These people were smart and innovative people who changed the world. Not all vegetarians/ vegans are good people and not all meat-eaters are good people. The choices we make define us, but human beings are made up of more than just one choice. Classifying and entire group of people as leftest militants because of a few people denotes a shallow minded world-view.
    
    I am a vegetarian, but I do not believe that I am a leftest militant (at least I hope not). In fact I am more like what this site considers the meat eater. I am a conservative republican (though I am more moderate on social issues like gay rights). I am also a Christian. I do not go on protests or support PETA in any way, shape, or form. I hate PETA; they are terrorists and profiteers. I also consider myself fairly smart (this site makes insinuations that being a vegetarian or vegan could decrease ones IQ). I am a first year at UVA and I feel I am doing well.
    
    GO WAHOOS!
    
    Christine
13. • CommentAuthortbonesrex
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2008

     
    "if you wernt so biast you;d see all of the hatred is coming from vegos"
    
    HUH? I am a strict Vegan who is not angry at all. In fact, on the contrary. I feel sympathy for the ignorant & misinformed.
    
    A group of people standing up for what happens to be the most inhumane, cruel, disgusting and environmentally destructive industry on the planet...factory farming. You can rant, rave and reason all you want about how tasty your bacon burger or veal parmesean is, but the fact remains that unless you're out there hunting and killing your own meat, then you support factory farming. And if you support factory farming then you support pollution, ground contamination, disease, abuse and slow and painful deaths, just to name a few.
    Now, when your children grow up and ask you why they live in a world of filth and destruction, you can tell them it's because you couldn't help yourself, that darned meat was too tasty to pass up.
    So eat meat, go right ahead, but if you care about anything at all, at least care about purchasing it from sustainable farms. Better for your health, better for the planet, better for the animals and better for your community. There is no logical reason for why you cannot.
    So at least care a little, would ya? Oh, and don't be angry about it, just be informed.
14. • CommentAuthornev
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2008

     
    as i grew up on a farm i know that most of what you are saying is crap i still have free range chooks and so do all the other farms in my area there is even a lot of back yarders in the town near where i live. i also hunt a lot of my meat and all my beef and sheep i eat lead happy grass filled lives.
15. • CommentAuthortbonesrex
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2008

     
    Well great then, you've just proven my point. You obviously are doing the kind of farming which is refered to as sustainable. I am talking about factory farms here. Didn't you thoroughly read my post b4 responding? If you're unfamiliar with what I'm discussing here then perhaps you should research what exactly a factory farm is. You'll find it is vastly different from what you are referring to.
16. • CommentAuthorguest
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2008

     
    guest:
    
    Joyce Grafstein, you indeed have issues. Saying Islam is a wicked religion is completely racist. They are for peace, and just because there are terrorists, doesn't make all Muslims evil.
17. • CommentAuthornev
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2008

     
    to be a racist you first have to be talking about a race ...islam is a religion...
18. • CommentAuthorguest
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2009

     
    guest:
    
    Why can't eveybody just respect each other and their choices?
    I am vegan.
    I have a petrol-head steak lovin' friend, a Christan friend, a Muslim friend, a Jewish friend, Asian friends and Indian friends, sure, we all believe different things, but we all RESPECT each others personal choices.
    Stop being so sterotypical, maybe if you actually talked to people with different belifs, them you would make some great friends!
19. • CommentAuthorguest
    • CommentTimeMay 18th 2009

     
    guest:
    
    This is being predigest againts religon (whatever religon you many be), they way you eat, and how you live your life.
20. • CommentAuthorbitxme
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2009 edited

     
    "Rivers,
    Your argument proves the point.
    I am a feminist, men are wicked!
    Communists are wicked - they use violence to oppress. There is no Communism without oppression.
    Muslims are wicked, they follow a vile and evil little book written by a mad pedophile and murder people wherever they go.
    
    I'm not a Christian, but they have done some pretty nasty things too; especially to non-Christians.
    
    Vegetarians just must be bad. All the arguments make perfect sense.
    
    Joyce Grafstein"
    
    
    dear Joyce, please replace your tampon and stop being a racist bitch.
21. • CommentAuthorguest
    • CommentTimeDec 2nd 2009

     
    guest:
    
    I am a vegetarian Communist and I'm gonna dominate the whole world, har har!
    
    found this website by chance, never seen anything so out of place and stupid. Please do some research, prove your sources and then maybe we can have a discussion, but not on the grounds of "soy beans make our sons gay"
    
    PS: Communism has never existed to the present day as it essentially means a stateless world where everybody is equal. Please read a few books before you post oppinions on matters you have no knowledge about.
22. • CommentAuthorJustthefacts
    • CommentTimeJan 16th 2010 edited

     
    Im not sure if anyone has pointed out the hypocracy in the veggies as their derogatory name stands about brain washing children. Does anyone know about a cheerful clown and his buddies who go on adventures together and oddly enough eat large amounts of McDonald burgers? Or maybe a king who goes out advertising his product? If thats not enough they both sell fun little toys along with their kids meal. Another point being that this site only seems to mention the dietary side of being vegetarian. Vegetarians love animals do not eat, wear, and this is a big one KILL animals. Humans are apart of the Animalia Kingdom therefore Hitler and the few mass murders who claim to be vegetarian could have never been with the contradicting action of mass murder. For the readers if u research the unbiased pros and cons of a meatless diet this is a good website that gives only facts unlike the one sided articles such as this one and of course the ones promoting veggies as well http://www.acu-cell.com/veg.html
23. • CommentAuthorguest
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2010

     
    guest:
    
    I Don't think for a minute the website is pointing that all vegetarians are nazi's because hitler was a nazi.
    It is just pointing at the "social moral supriority" vegetarians seem to have when they make out (to be frank) when the claim they are better whilst such evil people were vegetarians at the same time.
    It must be so embrassing for vegetarians this website.